Excellent Article! I will be linking to it often. Sometimes it's difficult to piece all Rays stuff together-but this is so easy to understand. Thank You
This is a great synthesis of information and I have come to similar understandings after reading a lot of what Ray and Georgi have said regarding PCOS. However, I think the interplay between Team A and B as you have defined them is a lot more complex than is given credit here. Speaking from experience, I feel I have had had both of these systems passing the control back and forth and also if you isolate treatment to any one of these factors without simultaneously working on the others it can leave you feeling much worse. I totally get the purpose here was to provide a brief summary and you aren't recommending isolated treatment but its really easy to hyper-focus on any one of these things (e.g., thyroid, progesterone, nutrients). While progesterone supplementation can be incredible, it can also have HUGELY negative effects at first in women by knocking estrogen into the bloodstream (what Kitty calls "estrogen kickback") and if your thyroid/gut/liver function is not up to scratch you will feel awful. I learned this the hard way and haven't really been able to find relief from PCOS symptoms yet as I am still trying to figure out how to balance the dance...
Thanks and yes as you say the point of this article was to explain a proposed theory on what is behind PCOS.
Most people think its just high androgens and try to lower them. I try to illustrate that hyperactive adrenals and pituitary function are a result of poor thyroid, liver and ovarian function. A secondary point of the article was explaining how some things like progesterone can be helpful, but "what to do for PCOS" wasn't the point of this specific piece.
Point taken. I suppose what I was trying to point out myself is that someone could take your information as suggestions on how to manage PCOS under the proposed theory, as I have done, and end up in a worse place if they don't understand the nuance in how these systems are interconnected. Meanwhile the drugs given to lower androgens annoyingly do bring about relief of some symptoms (e.g., spironolactone and hair growth/acne) and therefore perpetuate the misunderstanding.
Good idea to take both oral pregnenalone and topical progesterone in luteal? Any adverse effects of pregnenone?
Excellent Article! I will be linking to it often. Sometimes it's difficult to piece all Rays stuff together-but this is so easy to understand. Thank You
Thank you! Glad you liked it
This is a great synthesis of information and I have come to similar understandings after reading a lot of what Ray and Georgi have said regarding PCOS. However, I think the interplay between Team A and B as you have defined them is a lot more complex than is given credit here. Speaking from experience, I feel I have had had both of these systems passing the control back and forth and also if you isolate treatment to any one of these factors without simultaneously working on the others it can leave you feeling much worse. I totally get the purpose here was to provide a brief summary and you aren't recommending isolated treatment but its really easy to hyper-focus on any one of these things (e.g., thyroid, progesterone, nutrients). While progesterone supplementation can be incredible, it can also have HUGELY negative effects at first in women by knocking estrogen into the bloodstream (what Kitty calls "estrogen kickback") and if your thyroid/gut/liver function is not up to scratch you will feel awful. I learned this the hard way and haven't really been able to find relief from PCOS symptoms yet as I am still trying to figure out how to balance the dance...
Thanks and yes as you say the point of this article was to explain a proposed theory on what is behind PCOS.
Most people think its just high androgens and try to lower them. I try to illustrate that hyperactive adrenals and pituitary function are a result of poor thyroid, liver and ovarian function. A secondary point of the article was explaining how some things like progesterone can be helpful, but "what to do for PCOS" wasn't the point of this specific piece.
Point taken. I suppose what I was trying to point out myself is that someone could take your information as suggestions on how to manage PCOS under the proposed theory, as I have done, and end up in a worse place if they don't understand the nuance in how these systems are interconnected. Meanwhile the drugs given to lower androgens annoyingly do bring about relief of some symptoms (e.g., spironolactone and hair growth/acne) and therefore perpetuate the misunderstanding.